Johann MONZ ⚭ Katharina LIENHART

Johann MONZ

    (from Pfunds)

  • Born: unknown
  • Died: unknown

Parents of Johann:

  • unknown

Marriage:

  • on 3 February 1636 with Katharina LIENHART

Katharina LIENHART

    (from Ried, married name MONZ)

  • Born: unknown
  • Died: unknown

Parents of Katharina:

  • Father: Alex LIENHART from Ried ()
  • Mother: unknown

Marriage:

  • on 3 February 1636 with Johann MONZ

Common children:

(Note by the author: my 8th great-grandparents)

Sources (italic text contains original content):

  • Dr. Richard Patscheider: "Vom Oberrhein zum Etschquellraum" page Z17 (3rd paragraph):
    Monz Johann Pfunds h. a. 1636 II. 3. Kath. Lienhart aus Ried, eine Tochter Marie m. gb. 1641,
    davon: Peter Monz, gb. 1646 h. M. Gabl
    eine Tochter Marie, gb. 1715 IV. 15. von Johann Monz sen. - Pfunds gb. 1676, mit Maria Nigg (von Johann Nigg und der M. Margret Falkeis).
  • Dr. Richard Patscheider: "Vom Oberrhein zum Etschquellraum" page Z25 (from line 26):
    1702 II. 7. h. Joh. Monz - 26 J alt, Sohn d. Peter Monz und M. Gabl M. Nigg, Tochter d. Joh. Nigg und der M. Margareth Falkeis
    1636 II. 3. h. Johann Monz sen. Katharina Lienhart, Tochter des Alex Lienhart von Ried.

Comment:

The existence of these two persons (Johann Monz and Katharina Lienhart) is proven by the mention in "Vom Oberrhein zum Etschquellraum" on page Z17 and page Z25.

Both on page Z17 and on Z25 there are very ambiguous formulations.

On page Z25 one has to assume that the person referred to as "Johann Monz senior" (i.e. this person here) is the grandfather of Johann Monz, who married in 1702. Otherwise it does not work out if "Johann Monz senior" married in 1636; furthermore it is stated that Joh. Monz (who married in 1702) is a son of Peter Monz and M. Gabel. In connection with the information on page Z17, where it is stated that Peter Monz (married to M. Gabel) is a son of Johann Monz and Katharina Lienhart. This could of course also be completely different, but this is how I interpret it.

The combination of the data from pages Z17 and Z25 results in the two children Peter and Maria, who are both my 7th great-grandparents and lead in separate lines to Josef Schuchter (born 1754) and Anna Maria Pfeifer (born 1756), who were therefore third cousins.

Her father, Alex Lienhart, is only briefly mentioned on page Z25, therefore no separate page has been created for him.

Page Z17

 

Excerpt from page Z17 of „Vom Oberrhein zum Etschquellraum“ by Dr. Richard Patscheider

Page Z17 from "Vom Oberrhein zum Etschquellraum" by Dr. Richard Patscheider - the Monz line is shown here; Johann Monz and Katharina Lienhart can be found in the 3rd paragraph in the 1st line.

 

Page Z25

 

Page Z25 from „Vom Oberrhein zum Etschquellraum“ by Dr. Richard Patscheider

Page Z25 from "Vom Oberrhein zum Etschquellraum" by Dr. Richard Patscheider - information about Johann Monz and Katharina Lienhart can be found in line 29.

 

Graphic

 

Screenshot from Kith and Kin

Screenshot from Kith and Kin showing that Johann Monz and Katharina Lienhart were the great-great-grandparents of both Josef Schuchter and Anna Maria Pfeifer. Josef Schuchter and Anna Maria Pfeifer were therefore third cousins.