Josef SCHUCHTER ⚭ Anna Maria PFEIFER

Josef SCHUCHTER

    (bell smith)

  • Born: 14 September 1754 in Pfunds
  • Died: unknown

Parents of Josef:

Marriage:

  • on 7 February 1790 in Pfunds to Anna Maria PFEIFER

Anna Maria PFEIFER

    (married name SCHUCHTER)

  • Born: 27 August 1756 in Pfunds
  • Died: unknown

Parents of Anna Maria:

Marriage:

  • on 7 February 1790 in Pfunds to Josef SCHUCHTER

Children in common:

(Note by the author: my great-great-great-great-grandparents)

Sources (italics indicate original content):

  • “Ahnenpass” (ancestry certificate) Irimbert Patscheider page 28, no. 40:
    Schuchter Josef geboren am 14.IX.1764 in Pfunds
    als Sohn des Anton Schuchter und der Katharina Jenewein
    Pfarramt Pfunds Tauf-Reg.-Nr. II/465
  • “Ahnenpass” (ancestry certificate) Irimbert Patscheider page 28, no. 40/41:
    Die Eheschließung des Josef Schuchter, Beruf: Schellenschmied
    und der Anna Maria Pfeifer erfolgte am 7.II.1790 in Pfunds
  • “Ahnenpass” (ancestry certificate) Irimbert Patscheider page 28, no. 41:
    Pfeifer Anna Maria geboren am 27.8.1756 in Pfunds
    als Tochter des Thomas Pfeifer und der Maria Monz
    Pfarramt Pfunds Tauf-Reg.-Nr. II/491
  • Dr. Richard Patscheider: “Vom Oberrhein zum Etschquellraum” page Z17 (5th paragraph):
    Anmerkung: Die genannten Peter und Johann Monz sind blutsverwandt mit jener anderen Maria Monz, die ihrem Ehegatten Michael Schuchter/Pfunds a. 1681 IV. 16. den Stammhalter Jakob Schuchter gebar; dieser gehört zu den Vorfahren von Adelheid Schuchter - gb. 1854 II. 9. in Pfunds, die a. 1878 IV. 29. mit dem Förster Ferdinand Patscheider getraut wurde: d.i. der Vater des Verfassers.
  • Dr. Richard Patscheider: “Vom Oberrhein zum Etschquellraum” page Z24 (references to Wo/pa 37 and 51 - line 13):
    1754 IX. 14. Josef Schuchter h. A. M. Pfeifer von Pf. Thomas 1753 und M. Monz, Tochter des Joh. M. und d. Maria Nigg, h. 1702

Comment:

In the Ahnenpass this Pfeifer is clearly written with an "f". Difficult to decipher in the Ahnenpass is the marriage date; it could be either 1780 or 1790, and I tend more toward 1790.

The data by Dr. Richard Patscheider from page Z24 contain many abbreviations, but they are consistent with the Ahnenpass. It is somewhat puzzling to which marriage the final year 1702 refers. A marriage of the parents in 1702 and the marriage of the daughter in 1790 does not seem plausible!

If the data provided by Dr. Richard Patscheider, especially the notes on page Z17, are correct, then Josef Schuchter and Anna Maria Pfeiffer were third cousins. Whether the two of them were aware of this at the time remains hidden in the darkness of history.

“Ahnenpass”
(ancestry certificate)

 

“Ahnenpass” Irimbert Patscheider page 28

“Ahnenpass” (ancestry certificate) Irimbert Patscheider: page 28, Josef Schuchter is no. 40, Anna Maria Pfeifer is no. 41

 

Page Z17

 

Page Z17 from „Vom Oberrhein zum Etschquellraum“ by Dr. Richard Patscheider

Page Z17 from “Vom Oberrhein zum Etschquellraum” by Dr. Richard Patscheider - (under “Note:”) explanation of the Schuchter-Monz connection and that Jakob Schuchter was an ancestor of Adelheid Schuchter (Richard's mother).

 

Page Z24

 

Excerpt from page Z24 of „Vom Oberrhein zum Etschquellraum“ by Dr. Richard Patscheider

Excerpt from page Z24 of “Vom Oberrhein zum Etschquellraum” by Dr. Richard Patscheider - information about Josef Schuchter and Anna Maria Pfeifer (line 13)

 

Chart

 

Screenshot from Kith and Kin

Screenshot from Kith and Kin showing that Josef Schuchter and Anna Maria Pfeifer had the same great-great-grandparents and were therefore third cousins.

 

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